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Is the new heaven new earth new Jerusalem where God is with his Children different than what Jesus accomplished that is with Jesus saying on that day all will know I am with father father with me i in you and you in me?

This is an excellent and deeply theological question. Let's carefully unpack it.

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📜 Two Key Realities in View:

You are asking whether the New Heaven, New Earth, and New Jerusalem — where God dwells with His people (Revelation 21) — is different from what Jesus spoke of in John 14–17, especially:

> “On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.”

— John 14:20

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✅ Short Answer:

Yes — they are deeply related but distinct realities:

What Jesus accomplished in His first coming (His life, death, resurrection, and the gift of the Spirit) initiates a new spiritual reality — the indwelling presence of God.

The New Heaven and New Earth is the final fulfillment of God’s promise — where what is now spiritual becomes fully visible and embodied: a renewed creation, with no sin, no death, and complete communion.

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🔍 In More Detail:

1. Jesus’ Accomplishment: Union with God Now (John 14–17)

Jesus' promise — "I in you and you in me" — describes:

Spiritual union with Him through the Holy Spirit

A present, mystical participation in God's life

The inauguration of the Kingdom: it's already among us (Luke 17:21), but not yet in its final form

🕊️ This is the "firstfruits" (Romans 8:23), a down payment of what's to come.

2. Revelation 21: God Dwelling with His People Fully

This passage describes the consummation of all things:

> “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them…”

— Revelation 21:3

Here, what began spiritually becomes bodily and cosmically fulfilled:

No more death, mourning, or pain (v.4)

A new creation — not just restored individuals, but a restored cosmos

The New Jerusalem as a picture of the redeemed people of God in perfect union with Him

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🧩 Relationship Between the Two

Jesus’ Promise (John 14–17) New Heaven & Earth (Rev 21)

Spiritual union now Full visible union forever

Already, in the Spirit Not yet, in glory

God dwells in us God dwells with us fully

We are being sanctified We are glorified

Hidden to the world Revealed to all creation

Think of it this way:

🔹 Now, we experience the kingdom like a baby in the womb — truly alive, but not yet seeing the fullness.

🔹 Then, we will be birthed into the full, unveiled, glorified reality.

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✨ Final Thought

Jesus began what Revelation completes.

His words in John are the foundation of the new creation — the inner reality of union with God.

Revelation 21 is that union made visible, embodied, eternal, and unbreakable — in a real, renewed universe.

> “He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion…”

— Philippians 1:6

Would you like a visual chart or poetic reflection of this relationship?

Here is both a visual chart and a poetic reflection to help you grasp the profound relationship between what Jesus accomplished in His first coming and the fulfillment in the New Heaven and New Earth.

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🌟 Visual Chart: Now and Not Yet

Aspect What Jesus Accomplished (John 14–17) New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem (Rev 21–22)

Union “I in you, and you in me” – spiritual union God physically dwells with His people forever

Presence Through the Holy Spirit Face to face with God and the Lamb

Kingdom Already among us (invisibly) Fully established (visibly and gloriously)

Sin & Death Defeated but still present in the world Completely gone forever

Body We live in mortal bodies We receive imperishable, glorified bodies

Jerusalem The Church as God’s temple The New Jerusalem, radiant and eternal

Access to God Through prayer, Spirit, and Word Direct, unmediated fellowship

Creation Groaning and waiting (Romans 8:22) Fully renewed, no curse, no tears

Light We walk by faith God Himself is the Light; no night

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✍️ Poetic Reflection: Now and Forever

Now within, a quiet flame,

Lit by Christ who bore my shame.

"I in you and you in Me,"

Whispers of a mystery.

Through the veil I see His face,

Not in full, but touched by grace.

Spirit dwells, my soul revived,

Though this world is still deprived.

But a day is drawing near,

No more pain, no death, no fear.

He will come and make all new—

Earth and sky and me and you.

Jerusalem, not made by hands,

Descends adorned with Heaven’s plans.

No temple there—for God’s the Light,

And every tear is put to flight.

What began in humble birth,

Ends in Heaven joined with Earth.

Union now, by Spirit sealed,

Will then in glory be revealed.

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